τα HUHN || τα Dragz

[size=33][5:15:33 PM] a: yeah, its ok. the mc race was laggy for us aswell and it ended fortunate for us (you were teleporting aswell, but we got lucky that it made us get top2). however, we wouldve gladly not counted it and wouldve played another race instead. i just dont like it when people blame their loss on lag, as you guys lag aswell. you didnt do that, i know, but its not like lag was the only fault. but ggs, i dont want to start something[/size]
[size=33][5:16:12 PM] `υτ»Sαl: 'blame their losses on lag' are you serious?[/size]
[size=33][5:16:31 PM] `υτ»Sαl: i hate when people expect us to play when they're lagging up from 6 seconds away in a 2v2[/size]
[size=33][5:16:49 PM] a: it was one race not the whole war[/size]
[size=33][5:16:51 PM] `υτ»Sαl: it's just not fun, and i play to have fun[/size]
[size=33][5:17:06 PM] `υτ»Sαl: idc if you count a win or not but we're not playing[/size]
[size=33][5:17:09 PM] `υτ»Sαl: because it's not fun at all[/size]
[size=33][5:17:19 PM] `υτ»Sαl: the whole war was laggy[/size]
[size=33][5:17:23 PM] `υτ»Sαl: but that crossed the line[/size]
[size=33][5:18:13 PM] a: we give a shit about winning or not. i dont experience a lot of wars without lag and the mc race was exceptional, yep, but as i said it wouldnt have counted anyways[/size]
[size=33][5:18:48 PM] `υτ»Sαl: we have entire recording and neither of you got lag starts so what does that say[/size]
[size=33][5:19:09 PM] a: what does what say?[/size]
[size=33][5:19:17 PM] `υτ»Sαl: slow down codes?[/size]
[size=33][5:19:53 PM] a: oh, youre accusing us of hacking [/size][size=33] well, who got 5 bs while we only got like 1?[/size]
[size=33][5:20:05 PM] `υτ»Sαl: so now you're complaining about item luck[/size]
[size=33][5:20:12 PM] `υτ»Sαl: when we have actual proof[/size]
[size=33][5:20:16 PM] `υτ»Sαl: funny[/size]
[size=33][5:21:12 PM] a: lag happens and item luck happens aswell. we werent mad but calling hacks on us seems a bit odd[/size]
[size=33][5:21:32 PM] a: like we would hack obvious like that[/size]
[size=33][5:22:01 PM] `υτ»Sαl: the race was the definition of slow down codes[/size]
[size=33][5:22:08 PM] `υτ»Sαl: i've seen it before[/size]
[size=33][5:22:28 PM] `υτ»Sαl: we're uploading so save your comments for the community[/size]

not saying this is 100% hacks but i can't find another valid option, not expecting them to be banned either

Dragz had a white line so 99% chance he didn't hack.

HUHN however did not.

Yeah it's very suspicious.

~King Decimator~ wrote:Dragz had a white line so 99% chance he didn't hack.

HUHN however did not.

Yeah it's very suspicious.

isn't that achievable with a Taiwanese iso?

So first of all id like to state i (Tschuki) was "Dragz", we play with eachothers mii names in most of the wars, im just saying that to prevent Dragz from getting into any kind of trouble. In case you dont believe me, you can check the fcs, if you still have me added, also you might remember that Dragz having an austrian flag, not a swiss one.

Also i mean i understand this looks very weird, but neither Simon nor me were accused of hacking ever before, why would we suddenly start hacking in such an obvious way in a normal 2v2 that means absolutely nothing, especially as we were winning anyway. That makes no sense at all. I guess Wiimm-Fi just messed up in this race. No other race was really lagging btw, what Sal stated in the chat is a lie, the war was not lagging at all, at least not on my screen. and MC looked very siilar on my screen btw. suddenly everyone started to become slow as hell and i could frontrun without any problems.

Anyway i dont have a lot knowledge on hacking, but cant you judge by the fact Simon/Huhn wasnt just going slow the whole race and also didnt just become slow, but teleporting backwards suddenly, that there is no chance for a slowdown code or something?


Also i dont have any kind of iso, i dont know if its possible to prove that somehow, but ive been playing with my original mkw disc 

VaMlinar wrote:what Sal stated in the chat is a lie, the war was not lagging at all, at least not on my screen.

"The whole war (2v2) was laggy" was not a lie, i was simply mentioning the basic lag that would come from almost any 2v2 from NA to EU

we're just having a hard time understanding why all of a sudden you and your teammate start lagging backwards on both of our screens when neither of us are lagging at all for each other, and lag up by an insane amount with no lag start whatsoever

then after i mentioned to whoever i was chatting with that we recorded and were canceling the 2v2, the matrix lag stopped the next race

neither of you were recording?

People are teleporting throughout the race on the mini-map, and after Sal + the two ta cross the finish line, their names are still visible.  Normally if that happens the room freezes and results don't show until whoever is causing it resets.  

Also it's probably worth noting that these players aren't the type to brag about their top spots/post a pic of top spots on their thread, like some other more suspicious members of the wiimmfi community.  ta had a decent reputation as honest players before the shut-down; it would be pretty bizarre for them to use slowdown codes to win a 2v2 on wiimmfi.  "we wouldve gladly not counted it and wouldve played another race instead"  doesn't seem like something that a hacker would say..

Dave wrote:ta had a decent reputation as honest players before the shut-down; it would be pretty bizarre for them to use slowdown codes to win a 2v2 on wiimmfi.  "we wouldve gladly not counted it and wouldve played another race instead"  doesn't seem like something that a hacker would say..

It would be bizarre, precisely why we're confused about the situation and asking the community's opinion. But honestly from most perspectives this looks like hacks


Sidenote: I apologize for getting a bit salty in the skype convo but what he said at first ticked me off

@Sal

Aright then, but you cant complain about such a lag then. 

You were chatting to simon. So i have no idea when you were saying certain things exactly. But Simon told me about you recording and accusing us of hacking after the 4th race, which was not laggy at all. I didnt even know until the end of the 4th race about you being mad on what happened in the 3rd race

Anyway still i hope you will agree with me that we were about to win until that laggy race (by about 15 pts if i remember right), so why would we start to hack suddenly? why would we even start to hack for a fun 2v2 nobody cares about? that makes no sense. I get where you coming from, this seems very weird, but mkw has shown in the past 6 years that lag can cause the weirdest things ever.

And obviously we werent recording, but thats nothing new, both of us have never recorded or streamed something before.

We were down 10 gp1 if I recall correctly, but the point is if you or anyone else had this happen would you question it?

I wasn't mad until he said we're "blaming our losses on lag" after something like that just happened
my initial reaction was like I said, confusion and obviously we both thought you were hacking

i guess i would question it, but as i said i never recorded, so i never came to that point where i had the chance to report a hacker. Im not baming you for uploading this or canceling the war, all im trying to do is prevent simon and myself from being on conditionals or even banned. I just wanted you to state that not every race was like MC as you said in the skype conversation "the whole war was laggy". People might get this the wrong way and believe we were trying to win in a way like in MC the whole war.

Also i felt its important to clearify that we were in front before that MC race took place, so people dont believe "hey they started to hack, as they had to catch up" 
Im just trying to convince the people that there was absolutely no reason for us to hack.

In the skype convo I said
"the whole war was laggy"
"but that crossed the line"

to everyone else, when I said "laggy" I was referring to basic NA to EU lag as stated in previous post

then everything is fine :) its up to others to decide at this point what will happen with us.

VaMlinar wrote:@Sal

Aright then, but you cant complain about such a lag then. 

You were chatting to simon. So i have no idea when you were saying certain things exactly. But Simon told me about you recording and accusing us of hacking after the 4th race, which was not laggy at all. I didnt even know until the end of the 4th race about you being mad on what happened in the 3rd race

Anyway still i hope you will agree with me that we were about to win until that laggy race (by about 15 pts if i remember right), so why would we start to hack suddenly? why would we even start to hack for a fun 2v2 nobody cares about? that makes no sense. I get where you coming from, this seems very weird, but mkw has shown in the past 6 years that lag can cause the weirdest things ever.

And obviously we werent recording, but thats nothing new, both of us have never recorded or streamed something before.

You saying stuff like, "obviously, we weren't recording" and "why would we hack in a for fun 2v2?" is only digging yourself into a deeper hole.

Let's try to actually get something done here...

I have a few questions that need to be answered that will help us get to the end of this.

What FC were you using in that 2v2?
Is that FC registered for CSL?
You were using a disc, correct?
Was it a Japanese disc?

I'm asking you this because you said you have never used an ISO before and have a white line so I'm assuming you played with CTs on.

Dragz has never used an ISO before, so I wonder why he had to get a Taiwanese ISO, I'm 90% sure that it is lag (considering that it's Eddy recording as well, since he's known that he lags badly), still pretty suspicious though

I don't know about tschuki, I recall him getting removed from the pp for lying but I'm pretty certain he did that to prove a point and is legit.

And if Dragz actually hacks I'll eat my own shoes. literally.

also this is why you dont use cts on regs kids, its just free callums

Just got to know that ta HUHN is Tschuki, considering that Tschuki also lags a lot I'm even more sure that this is lag, and Luke, Tschuki is way more legit than Fox or others will ever be

Also an American hosting two Germans, and the teammate (an American) was not lagging.

Now that I remember, Shelly did the same thing whenever an American was hosting for Dv. We let Europeans such as Fra, Tom, Haze, etc. host the rooms instead. She went from lagging 30pts to maybe once a war. (On my screen... and yes, she didn't get lag starts on my screen as well, same thing that's happening now).

I honestly think this could've been it, I also find it funny how there's no cases where Americans lag like this when Europeans are hosting, weird. But off topic...

This isn't any solid proof, and this being Wiimm-Fi... decreases the chance of hacks. (Don't call me a hypocrite yet, Veil).

Do you have the entire war recorded? Either of you? Or even ta?

Viraith wrote:Also an American hosting two Germans, and the teammate (an American) was not lagging.

Now that I remember, Shelly did the same thing whenever an American was hosting for Dv. We let Europeans such as Fra, Tom, Haze, etc. host the rooms instead. She went from lagging 30pts to maybe once a war. (On my screen... and yes, she didn't get lag starts on my screen as well, same thing that's happening now).

I honestly think this could've been it, I also find it funny how there's no cases where Americans lag like this when Europeans are hosting, weird. But off topic...

This isn't any solid proof, and this being Wiimm-Fi... decreases the chance of hacks. (Don't call me a hypocrite yet, Veil).

Do you have the entire war recorded? Either of you? Or even ta?

Ye, true, and about the lag it was true haha, at times I lagged as well, this was weird as hell though, it doesn't happen anymore now, anyway, as Viraith said the entire war recording would be good

s0175129 wrote:

Viraith wrote:Also an American hosting two Germans, and the teammate (an American) was not lagging.

Now that I remember, Shelly did the same thing whenever an American was hosting for Dv. We let Europeans such as Fra, Tom, Haze, etc. host the rooms instead. She went from lagging 30pts to maybe once a war. (On my screen... and yes, she didn't get lag starts on my screen as well, same thing that's happening now).

I honestly think this could've been it, I also find it funny how there's no cases where Americans lag like this when Europeans are hosting, weird. But off topic...

This isn't any solid proof, and this being Wiimm-Fi... decreases the chance of hacks. (Don't call me a hypocrite yet, Veil).

Do you have the entire war recorded? Either of you? Or even ta?

Ye, true, and about the lag it was true haha, at times I lagged as well, this was weird as hell though, it doesn't happen anymore now, anyway, as Viraith said the entire war recording would be good

Nah just wondering if anyone even had the locations of the miis. Some people were being suspicious of a Taiwanese ISO in previous posts. Although I doubt anyone would start recording from the room opening, but I could be wrong.

Trusted Alliance has done some Wiimm-Fi wars, using these players (to my knowledge) and there were no complaints about lag. Could've been just a fluke.

s0175129 wrote:Dragz has never used an ISO before, so I wonder why he had to get a Taiwanese ISO, I'm 90% sure that it is lag (considering that it's Eddy recording as well, since he's known that he lags badly), still pretty suspicious though

Slide was the one recording btw

Renegade wrote:I have a few questions that need to be answered that will help us get to the end of this.

What FC were you using in that 2v2?
Is that FC registered for CSL?
You were using a disc, correct?
Was it a Japanese disc?

I'm asking you this because you said you have never used an ISO before and have a white line so I'm assuming you played with CTs on.

0134-8491-4989
Yes
Yes
No, normal european disc i bought in an austrian shop like 4 years ago

Yes i played with CTs on

Luke wrote:I don't know about tschuki, I recall him getting removed from the pp for lying but I'm pretty certain he did that to prove a point and is legit.

And if Dragz actually hacks I'll eat my own shoes. literally.

also this is why you dont use cts on regs kids, its just free callum.

Well my pp removal has not really got anything to do with this issue, but yeh i was a little pissed at the big amount of people that were clearly tasing in my opinion. I dont want to start a discussion on if thats true or not here. I could have been wrong about this aswell. Anyway i was pissed and didnt really want to have my records showing up in rankings "tasers" are in aswell, as i felt like my records would look worse than they are and i didnt want to support a site having "tasers" added. When the pp simply denied my removal i was even more pissed and felt like "oh well in this case ill just give them no other option but removing me by sending a couple of fake times. This way i can also prove how easy it is to have fake times added" But let me clearify that i told a couple of trusted player about this before, so nobody doubts my legitimaty in general after. After 2 years have passed i really dont think i have done the right thing. All i should have done was to stop sending new times and ignore whats going on on the pp, but well you cant change your past, and i can understand the thought process i had back then

You saying stuff like, "obviously, we weren't recording" and "why would we hack in a for fun 2v2?" is only digging yourself into a deeper hole.

Let's try to actually get something done here...

I dont know how. To me hacking in a fun 2v2 in such a obvious way after being legit for 6 years makes no sense. I would also state this if it was someone else being accused of hacking. And well logic is the only proof i can bring. And about that "obviously we werent recording" i just wanted to make clear that both of us never record and have never uploaded any wifi stuff, as it might look weird if we had a bunch of other stuff recorded but not this specific 2v2

And once again, as i read people discussing about dragz, he wasnt included in that 2v2
"Dragz" = Tschuki
"Huhn" = Simon